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of teachers? if you have a madman like you had in connecticut, and we went to newtown, we went and rallied right outside of newtown at churches there. when you have a mad man comes in and he feels the teacher is armed, they become the first target. you're dealing with people with automatic and semiautomatic weapons. a teacher will not be able to stop that with a regular gun or even an automatic gun. again, who will mandate that for all schools? who will pay for that? it is not the solution. the solution is the way you stop a bad guy with a gun is take the gun, not try to have a good guy with a gun. you take the gun. then he's just a bad guy and we can deal with him being bad differently than we deal with a bad guy with a gun with 100 rounds of ammunition. >> sir, great to see you. >> thank you. >> as always, you can watch the reverend weeknights 6:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. later in the show action i'll have a chance to speak with the mayor of marlboro, new jersey about that city's plan to have armed guards in all of its schools come january. >>> meanwhile, we switch gears to talk about the
a difference? >>> plus, politicians promised that the newtown shooting would change our national debate on guns. are those just empty promises? >>> we count down the top five political rivalries. who won, who lost, what it means for 2013. let's go "outfront." >>> breaking news. the president makes an 11th hour announcement tonight putting the pressure squarely on the senate so broker a deal on the fiscal cliff. >> senators reid and mcconnell are working on such an agreement as we speak. but if an agreement isn't reached in time between senator reid and senator mcconnell, then i will urge senator reid to bring to the floor a basic package for an up or down vote, one that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends the vital life line of unemployment insurance to 2 million americans looking for a job, and lays the groundwork for future cooperation on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> and just moments ago, senator harry reid says he's readying a bill for a vote by monday. all this follows a rare face to face-closed-door meeting at the white housed to between all the key
everywhere. >>> our second story "outfront" tonight. guns in america. politicians promised the newtown massacre would change everything. but since it happened just two weeks ago today, 277 people in this country are dead because of gun violence. according to a tally compiled by "slate." americans are sending mixed messages where they stand. a new gallup poll shows 54% have a favorable opinion of the national rifle association which is adamant new gun laws are not the answer to stemming violence, down slightly from a year ago. on the other hand, a poll by "the washington post" and abc shows 52% of americans favor banning semiautomatic weapons, 59% support banning high-capacity clips. "outfront" tonight, roland and margaret. good to see you guys. margaret, i know that you grew up hunting, your dad took you hunting in colorado. one of the sea changes we've seen in the wake of this shooting is senators like joe manchin, mike warner, saying i've changed my mind, joe manchin saying, i've never hunted with more than three shells in a clip. why isn't this a conversation we can be having more b
woman is arrested for an alleged charity scam following the newtown school tragedy. >>> the town of newtown, connecticut is saying, thanks so much, but please, no more gifts following the school tragedy. so many people are sending in their tributes, workers can't keep up with all of those packages. instead, folks who want to offer condolences are being asked to help people in their own communities. >>> sandy hook elementary students return to class next week, but in the many time newtown is keeping them occupied with fun activities since the shootings. officials from the town, the school districts, and nonprofit agencies have sponsored pizza parties, field trips, and toy give-aways. and the newtown youth academy is opening its doors to all of the kids in town at no cost. >>> we are now getting a look at a woman federal authorities say used the connecticut school shooting to try to scam people on facebook. 37-year-old noel alba was released on bond after she was charged with lying to the fbi. she allegedly posed as a relative of one of the slain children, then solicited donations
of the newtown school shooting victims has been laid to rest. hour earns attended services for three children. eight days after the gunman killed 26 women and children. since then, more than $2.6 million worth of condolences have poured into the official memorial fund. >> heather: gun control debate heating up in the wake of the connecticut school shooting, national rifle association bribing go silence yesterday. critics slamming for suggesting them that armed police officers should be placed in every school in america. rick levanthol has a fair and balanced look at the argument. >> a number of viewers bill clinton made a similar proposal back in april of 2000 one year after the columbine shootings. pop warner football pledged $60 million in a fifth refund of founding for the is cops and schools in program placing hundreds of police officers in hundreds of public school when the assault weapon ban was in place 12 years ago. it hasn't stopped critics slamming the nra calling the group's leader a gun nut and politicians divided along party lines with the thought of more guns in schools. >> i do
in newtown, connecticut. he described it in a way he's not quite done so publicly before. listen to this. >> this is something that, you know, that was the worst day of my presidency. it's not something that i want to see repeated. >> it hit close to home? >> absolutely. >> the president describing it as the worst day of his presidency. we'll have more on the response to newtown in a bit. now to capitol hill and the time line for the negotiations. they set a 3:00 p.m. deadline for a deal to come to an agreement. it's just under three hours from now, folks. they hope to roll out the deal and agree on it some time tonight. ideally, a senate vote by midday tomorrow, new year's eve. the rest of monday, new year's eve, the house would consider the deal and possibly vote on it as well. capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell joins us from capitol hill. good afternoon to you now. did i lay that out about right? is that the best case scenario for how things are supposed to play out? >> reporter: while we are waiting, like waiting for paint to dry or a jury to come back with a verdict, it's di
're going to change. >> so we've -- between newtown and christmas eve, chances that we are going to get meaningful gun control yes or no, richard you first and then you julian. >> yes. >> julian? >> yes. particularly if there is a concerted movement over many months. >> it was a yes or no. it was just a yes or no. >> but there's a key proviseo. there. every time we've done this, the nra counts on the clock. that the public will shift attention over time. the key here is the public todays focused. but that's the key contingency. >> i think the sad reality of the christmas eve incident is that we'll continue to see gun violence. sadly there will continue to be examples that we can point to to try to keep the pressure on. >> 30 a day. >> getting some action done. thank you to julian epstein and richard wolffe. happy new year if i don't see you. >> same to you. >>> stay with us. we have more ahead. ♪ >>> we have updated information now on the health of former president george h.w. bush. a family spokesman tells nbc news he still has an elevated temperature and there remains no discussion
president obama. also coming up new fallout from the tragedy in newtown, connecticut as a major sporting goods chain faces a possible class action lawsuit, that is for refusing to deliver the guns some customers already paid for. is the company in the wrong here? we'll investigate. rick: coming up next see how the city of stockton, california california may be trying to proceed tech the pension of public workers at the expense of everybody else. >> reporter: a controversial claim from a law professor at a prompt manslaughter university that government is broken and we just should throw it out. given the deadlock in washington does he have a point? we'll see what history has to tell us and debate fair & balanced. rick: a fox news alert. we are 15 minutes away from hearing from president obama who is scheduled to speak on the on going negotiation toss try to avoid going over the so-called fiscal cliff. we got word the president is going to talk. we have been getting word over the last couple of phepbts about the framework for a possible deal that has been reached. this is a tentative deal.
capital. >> president obama on "meet the press" over the weekend. in the wake of the newtown, connecticut school shootings. the president insisted he wants new gun control legislation passed in the next year. he put vice president biden in charge of that task force to make recommendations to him. democratic congressman john yarmouth of kentucky joins us now and he sits on the budget oversight and government reform and ethics committees. good to see you. >> good to be with you. >> what is your thought on what the president said on "meet the press?" >> i think he is absolutely right. what sets this apart, however, is that we do have presidential leadership on this issue. that is something that hasn't been there during past attempts to do something to curb gun violence. i am thrilled about that. i agree with him totally. i've said many times the public has to keep the drum beat going because unless there is a perceived cost to many of the politicians up here not much is likely to happen. we have to make sure the public is engaged and continues to be engaged. >> our political director chuck t
a lot. >> kimberly: newtown. >> juan: to my mind it's unnecessary. this introduces an element that allows people to ignore reality. it was effort by white to take guns away from black people that really start this argument about gun control in the country. this came up in supreme court debate. second amendment rights affirmed. if you look at who owns guns it's overwhelmingly republicans. gun ownership between black and white. >> kimberly: really? joe manchin back audon it. gawps that is the truth. >> eric: that is inbe accurate. 81% of americans believe in the right to own guns. gawps i didn't say didn't believe in them. i said who owns gun. >> eric: it's inaccurate, too. >> juan: no, it's not. >> eric: it skew to republicans but not overwhelming majority like you are saying. michael moore is wrong. white people who on the guns aren't afraid of freckle face jimmy down the block. white people who own guns aren't afraid of black people breaking in or holding them up. white people are afraid of moron liberals like michael moore who think they will get guns taken away because they
in newtown but there hasn't been a sea change. plurality of americans, many americans still own guns. and they -- i think will be receptive to a little bit of change but if they feel like the white house is going overboard, it could blow up on the president. so the resolution is to go ahead and do what you think is right but to do in it a way that doesn't offend those people. remember, president obama famously said at a fund-raiser in the 2008 come pain that he wasn't doing well in pennsylvania because of people that cling to guns and religion. >> right. james, you know, don't offend gun owners piece jumped out at all three of us here today. 58% in a new poll said they want gun safety and there is a lot of interest in that that jumps from 42% a year ago but i don't think that the democrats are being offensive toward gun owners at all. the nra makes it seem like -- they fearmonger toward that idea but i think we need to not be offensive to those who have been killed and will be in the future by gun violence that can be -- and the nra leadership battles against even the most simple com
after 24 hours. >> but also as we're getting further and further away from the newtown tragedy, i hope people don't lose their sense of what it means to that community and what the impact has been on that community. we're going to have these sausage making conversations about common sense gun safety versus gun control versus the nra. i hope we keep the national tragedies in mind as we have those conversations so we can have the kind of compassion that helps us to understand, wait a second, asking for background chekts to purchase firearms across the board, internet, gun shows, is not asking too much. asking we put a robust ban on assault weapons to me that's not asking too much. we honor the second amendment. we know people have the right to bear arms. >> chief, you know this better than anyone, the unfortunate reality is i think between now and the time that whenever legislation is taken up, there, unfortunately, will be more gun violence and there will be more instances to remind us of the acute need for some of these things we're talking about. when you talk with officers who are wa
-style weaponry can so easily end up in the wrong hands, like they did in the newtown massacre. >> there's way too many weapons out there on the streets. the type of weapons that were brought in the other day, it's just redid cue louse. >> so you think it's gotten out of hand? >> i think that the system of issuing them has gotten out of hand and i think we have, again, have to look at the entire safety system involved with giving handguns out. >> gun shows and easy background checks cohen says, that adds up to an overly armed america. the people who turned in guns, most of them legal, came from all walks of life. >> i have grandchildren and no matter how secure you think your gun is, when you've seen what has happened, so i decided to turn it in. >> many of the weapons that were handed over to police in the gun buyback were antique. some of them were not functional. but police say it's just a window into a look of how many guns are in los angeles in the city. candy, they are estimating millions of guns exist in los angeles. >> i don't know if you know the answer to this question, but i'm pretty su
to superstorm sandy and of course the tragedy in newtown, connecticut. in our next half hour, we're going to look back at how we covered the news this year on the "today" show. 7:30 now on this friday morning. it's the 28th of december, 2012. i'm savannah guthrie alongside willie geist, who's in for matt. >> also this morning, something that will be hard for many families to swallow. the price of milk could more than double and very soon. as much as $8 a gallon. could be a real possibility. >>> then, would you hitch a ride with a perfect stranger? don't answer that, willie. new ride sharing apps are fast, cheap, and gaining popularity, but they come with some safety concerns. we'll tell you about this. >>> and millions of bats suddenly dying off in the united states. coming up, what is causing it and why it's so important to find a cure. >>> let's start this half hour with a law signed by russia's president overnight that bans adoptions by u.s. citizens. agonizing news for american couples looking to start or expand their families. nbc's michelle kosinski is here this morning with more. >
. >> so he wears this ammunition belt a few short days after what happened at newtown elementary school and i mean, the thought process that must go through your head and go on campus and not alert security about it, but wearing a full ammunition belt, his mom shall it was for fun, they were fake, it wasn't for real. >> dave: ha, ha, real funny. >> clayton: how does anyone know that. >> juliet: the friends say the belt is a fashion statement. he constantly wears it, it's a punk thing. >> dave: that's cool. >> juliet: a stylish thing. and we had a counselor on and a psychotherapist. >> you could get away with that 20, 30 years ago, but particularly the sensitive nation of everything going on in our nation after the connecticut shooting three days after that, you've got to have a better common sense, a belt bullets, no justification, i look at this as a parental thing. as a society we've somehow kept 18 to 24-year-old men and women, like a perennial type warp of adolescence and time for us as parents to start holding our kids accountable at a young age into adolescence and young adult hoo
talk this morning has been on newtown and potential changes to a gun laws. before we move into the fiscal issues, what is your take on the current mood in the country and the potential mood in congress on changing the gun laws? guest: peter, it's a tragic situation. i have a for our children 17 and under, including a 6-year-old -- four children. so it's pretty close to home. the mood i see in congress, i hope that we don't move in haste and do things we might regret. i hope we let folks mourn and we will look at that. i think it's an individual problem. we have mental illness issues tied into this that are separate, but do impact the situation, obviously. most of my constituents, i don't think i have had anyone to call into my office to say that we should get changes in federal gun laws. host: what is your rating? guest: i have a 100% rating. and i'm a gun owner. i have an 11-year-old and 6- year-old son. we went hunting during pheasant season. it's important that parents train their children in their use and to respect and understand the use of guns if you are going to ha
. the driver hasn't spoken to authorities. he was severely injured in the crash. >>> the body of newtown school gunman adam lanza has been claimed by his father. connecticut's chief medical examiner says lanza's body is ready for burial, more than two weeks after he opened fire on children at sandy hook elementary. lanza killed 26 people, including 20 children and his mother before taking his own life. >>> the second firefighter killed in a christmas eve ambush has been laid to rest. ♪ 19-year-old thomas kaczowka was on duty that morning so those with young children could have the holiday off. his obituary describes him as everyone's little brother who died doing what he loved. his comrade, lieutenant mike chiapperini was laid to rest on sunday. the family said they're asking people to do acts of service in his honor. they were shot and killed while battling an out of control house fire, set by the gunman. >>> her brutal beating and gang rape on a new delhi bus sparked mass protests across india. now the young woman they're calling lightning has been creme mated. the 23-year-old medical stude
were gunned down in newtown, connecticut, a national conversation began about how to keep it from happening again. arizona sheriff joe arpaio is done talking. >> i have decided to now send a posse out, an armed posse to the schools. >> reporter: starting next week, arpaio will deploy members of his all-volunteer armed posse to patrol the perimeter of his county schools. >> i qualify for taser. i qualify for baton. >> reporter: jerry johnson is a member of the posse. he dresses like a deputy, trains like a deputy, and has nearly the same authority as any other member of law enforcement in maricopa county. >> visual presence of a marked patrol car is one awareness and a deterrent for anyone that might think that they might want to go a schoolgrounds. >> reporter: in neighboring utah, teacher steven pratt applied for a concealed gun permit. >> this is called a pistol. >> reporter: during free firearm training for teachers and school personnel. >> i personally wept when i heard the news, wondering what i would do personally in a classroom. >> reporter: utah allows anyone with a concea
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